Darius Dale on 42 Macro’s ‘quantamental’ approach to macro risk

Jhis week, Opto sessions sits down with 42 Macro Founder and CEO Darius Dale to get his thoughts on what the Federal Reserve’s latest rate hike meeting means for stocks, bonds, crypto and more.


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As Opto sessions was about to speak to Darius Dale, founder and CEO of investment research startup 42 Marco, the Federal Reserve announced another rate hike.

“We’ve seen it all since the start of the year,” Dale said, reflecting on the shockwaves the market has been through since the start of 2022. “There are crazy weeks, crazy months, and that’s crazy career.”

With 13 years of experience in the financial markets, Dale has truly seen it all. He started his career at Hedgeye Risk Management, after graduating from Yale and as the fallout from the financial crisis was felt in 2009.

Last year, after rising through the ranks to become the sector head of the firm’s Macro team, he left to set up his own company. 42 Macro is a research platform specializing in macro risk management. His secret weapon is something Dale calls the “quantum mental” approach, where investment decisions are made based on a comprehensive view of all market fundamentals.

“I don’t believe in sentiment,” Dale says. “[It’s] a misnomer. It’s how people are positioned and how that positioning creates opportunity and risk in the market. Then, from a longer-term perspective, we determine where we are in the larger market cycle. This means looking at a given company’s relationship to everything from household and private sector balance sheets and labor market dynamics to the flow of funds and where people spend their income.

Reflecting on the Fed’s latest announcement, Dale says, “We believe the Fed will eventually be forced into a dovish pivot.” “At the end of the day, the markets themselves will have to tell Powell and the other members of the FOMC committee to stop doing what you’re doing or you’re going to cause a deep recession.”

However, Dale warns that this is likely to take some time, with the Fed’s talk of recessions and increased economic tightening revealing its current hawkish stance.

“You have to choose the right time if you want to make money in the financial markets. It’s not just about having the right fundamentals” – Darius Dale

How does Dale think investors should approach these turbulent times? “We are looking for a series of catalysts to give us the signal that the markets are ready to start pricing in a change in perspective,” he says. Things like the consumer price index rising at a slower pace, inflation developments in Europe and lower volatility could signal that things may soon be looking up for the S&P 500, adds he.

“You have to choose the right time if you want to make money in the financial markets. It’s not just about having the right basics. »

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